His Majesty King Abdullah II
Interview with His Majesty King Abdullah II with the Times
May 11, 2009
King Abdullah of Jordan's ultimatum: peace now or it’s war next year
Richard Beeston and Michael Binyon, The Times
America is putting the final touches to a hugely ambitious peace plan for the
Middle East, aimed at ending more than 60 years of conflict between Israel and
the Arabs, according to Jordan’s King Abdullah, who is helping to bring the
parties together.
The Obama Administration is pushing for a comprehensive peace agreement that
would include settling Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians and its
territorial disputes with Syria and Lebanon, King Abdullah II told The Times.
Failure to reach agreement at this critical juncture would draw the world into a
new Middle East war next year. “If we delay our peace negotiations, then there
is going to be another conflict between Arabs or Muslims and Israel in the next
12-18 months,” the King said.
Details of the plan are likely to be thrashed out in a series of diplomatic
moves this month. Chief among them is President Obama’s meeting with Binyamin
Netanyahu, the right-wing Israeli Prime Minister, in Washington a week today.
The initiative could form the centrepiece for Mr Obama’s much-anticipated
address to the Muslim world in Cairo on June 4. A peace conference could then
take place involving all the parties as early as July or August. Such an
ambitious project has not been attempted since 1991, when George Bush senior’s
Administration assembled all the parties for a peace conference in Madrid.
“What we are talking about is not Israelis and Palestinians sitting at the
table, but Israelis sitting with Palestinians, Israelis sitting with Syrians,
Israelis sitting with Lebanese,” said the King, who hatched the plan with Mr
Obama in Washington last month. He added that, if Mr Obama did not make good his
promise for peace, then his credibility would evaporate overnight.
The Israeli Government has so far rejected any moves that would lead to a
two-state solution, the creation of a Palestinian state living side by side with
Israel, but the King insisted that what was being proposed was a “57-state
solution”, whereby the Arab and entire Muslim world would recognise the Jewish
state as part of the deal.
“We are offering a third of the world to meet them with open arms,” said the
King. “The future is not the Jordan river or the Golan Heights or the Sinai, the
future is Morocco in the Atlantic and Indonesia in the Pacific. That is the
prize.”
As an incentive to Israel to freeze the building of Jewish settlements in the
West Bank, a key step in any peace process, Arab parties may offer incentives,
such as the right for El Al, the Israeli airline, to fly over Arab air space and
visas for Israeli tourists to Arab states. Mr Netanyahu told the Israeli Cabinet
yesterday, however, that he had no intention of leaving the Golan Heights, which
Israel seized from Syria in 1967.
Syria, which only last week was accused by Washington of being a state sponsor
of terrorism, presents a huge challenge. The King, who is visiting Damascus
today, insisted that the Syrians could be brought in from the cold.
King
Abdullah: 'This is not a two-state solution, it is a 57-state solution'
Richard
Beeston, The Times
How has the Pope’s visit gone?
I think it’s gone extremely well. I said to His Holiness that this is the right
time. You’re coming here on a spiritual pilgrimage with a message of peace ? as
a signal of hope for what we’re planning to do on the political aspect. It is
all part of one major effort. This is a critical crossroads that we need to take
advantage of.
So this is good timing between your visit to Washington and before President
Obama’s visit to Cairo?
I concentrated in my discussions with him on his being the spiritual dimension
while I work on the politics of this. The trickle-down effect to the people has
always been the challenge. So the message of reconciliation, the message of hope
for the future of Jerusalem comes at a perfect time because there has been a
flurry of activity over the past six weeks, after the Doha summit and what the
Arab nations are doing as part of the Arab peace proposal. [Prime Minister
Binyamin] Netanyahu’s expected visit to Washington next week will be the turning
point.
Obviously, I’m sure President Obama is keeping his cards close to his chest
until he hears what Prime Minister Netanyahu has to say. I think the President
is committed to the two-state solution. He is committed to the two-state
solution now. He feels the urgency of the need to move today. Because we’re not
working for peace in a vacuum, with others not there. So this is a critical
moment.
A cynic might say, we’ve had the Annapolis peace conference, we’ve had the
road map for peace, the Arab initiative, almost a decade with no results. What’s
the difference now?
Four or five decades! There are two major factors. We are sick and tired of the
process. We are talking about direct negotiations. That is a major point. We are
approaching this in a regional context. You could say through the Arab peace
proposal. The Americans see this as we do and I think the Europeans. Britain is
playing a very vital pro-active role, more than I have ever seen in the ten
years of my experience in bringing people together.
What we are talking about is not Israelis and Palestinians sitting at the table,
but Israelis sitting with Palestinians, Israelis sitting with Syrians, Israelis
sitting with Lebanese. And with the Arabs and the Muslim world lined up to open
direct negotiations with Israelis at the same time. So it’s the work that needs
to be done over the next couple of months that has a regional answer to this —
that is not a two-state solution, it is a 57-state solution.
That is the tipping point that shakes up Israeli politicians and the Israeli
public. Do you want to stay Fortress Israel for the next ten years? The calamity
that that would bring to all of us, including the West? This has become a global
problem. We are saying to the Israelis that this is an issue that is far bigger
than you Israelis and the Palestinians. This is where I think the Obama
Administration gets it. I am very, very concerned about having a conference in
six months' time, and another one in a year’s time, that doesn’t work. I think
we’re going to have to do a lot of shuttle diplomacy, get people to a table in
the next couple of months to get a solution.
So you are front-loading an offer to the Israelis that says if a deal is
done, these are the people who will be making peace with you, whom you will be
having embassies with and whom you will be trading with?
If you consider that a third of the world does not recognise Israel — 57 nations
of the United Nations do not recognise Israel, a third of the world — their
international relationships can’t be all that good. More countries recognise
North Korea than Israel.
That is a very strong statement when we are offering a third of the world to
meet them with open arms. The future is not the Jordan river or the Golan
Heights or Sinai, the future is Morocco in the Atlantic to Indonesia in the
Pacific. I think that’s the prize.
There have been reports that the Americans have asked you to clarify certain
parts of the Arab initiative, in particular the status of Jerusalem and the
future of Palestinian refugees.
I was very specific in carrying a letter on behalf of the Arab League
highlighting the Arab peace proposal, their desire to work with President Obama
to make this successful, their commitment to extending the hand of friendship to
the Israelis and a lot of other things that we could probably do for the world.
Are these reports malicious?
It’s hard to say. I’d like to think they’re not malicious, it’s just people with
a lot of extra time on their hands. The speculation is very far from reality.
You have a very right-wing Government in Israel which does not even accept a
two-state solution. How do you overcome that?
We have to deal with what we’re stuck with. Just because there is a right-wing
government in Israel does not mean that we should chuck in the towel. There are
a lot of American Jews and Israelis who tell me that it takes a right-wing
Israeli government to do it. I said, I hope so! Netanyahu has a lot on his
shoulders as he goes to Washington. I think the international atmosphere is not
going to be in favour of wasting time; it is going to be very much “we are
getting sick and tired of this”.
Here is one final opportunity. If the only player in this equation between the
West, the Arabs and the Muslims that is not being helpful and is against peace
is Israel, then let’s call it for what it is. Let Israel understand that the
world sees Israeli policy for what it is.
Have you dealt with Netanyahu before?
I had three months with the overlap [after the death of King Hussein]. These
were probably the least pleasant of my ten years. However, a lot has happened in
the last ten years and we are looking at the bigger picture, and looking for
what’s best for Israel, which I believe is the two-state solution.
How a bout Jerusalem?
It is not an international problem, it is an international solution. Jerusalem
unfortunately has been a symbol of conflict for so many centuries. From the
start of this new century what we desperately need is for Jerusalem to become a
symbol of hope. How do you encourage the three monotheistic religions to make
Jerusalem into a pillar for the future of this century? I am sensing a lot more
maturity and understanding in these troubled times of cultural and religious
suspicions that Jerusalem could be a binder that we need.
Do you think you can bring Syria on board?
The Syrians definitely see the benefit of peace negotiations with Israel, and
I’m hoping in my discussions with their foreign minister on my visit to Damascus
tomorrow that they understand that this is a regional approach, because I
strongly believe that a bilateral approach between Israel and Syria would be
used by one or the other side to waste time. I think that this regional approach
that Obama is looking at and which is endorsed by all of us, of getting all
three of them at the table at the same time, sends a powerful message to Israel
and a powerful commitment to solving the Lebanese and Syrian problems at the
same time.
So there is a tremendous opportunity for Syria to benefit from the regional
context of this and ingratiate itself into the West. So it is my real hope that
they see how the dynamic approach has changed and they see this as part of a
team. There is hope now that it’s a win-win situation for everyone. What’s good
for the Palestinians is good for the Syrians, is good for the Lebanese.
Isn’t this a reversal of the traditional policy of Syria of wanting a
comprehensive solution?
Well, they said that but they didn’t mean it. The comprehensive approach is the
only way.
Netanyahu is going to Cairo and Washington.
How do you see the process moving forward?
The critical juncture will be what comes out of the Obama-Netanyahu meeting. If
there is procrastination by Israel on the two-state solution or there is no
clear American vision for how this is going to play out in 2009, then all the
tremendous credibility that Obama has worldwide and in this region will
evaporate overnight if nothing comes out in May. All eyes will be looking to
Washington in May. If there are no clear signals and no clear directives to all
of us, then there will be a feeling that this is just another American
government that is going to let us all down.
If you don’t succeed in your peace plans, will it matter?
We’re going to have a war. Leading up to the Lebanese war, I said there was
going to be a conflict with Israel. I said it four or five months before. I said
it would happen either in Lebanon or Gaza. It was Lebanon. In November, I said
there would be another war in Lebanon or Gaza. I thought it would happen when
Obama was in office but was surprised by it happening a month earlier. If we
delay our peace negotiations, then there’s going to be another conflict between
Arabs or Muslims and Israel in the next 12 to 18 months — as sure as the other
conflicts happened.
So that’s the alternative — to have another round of war, and death and
destruction. But its implications now resonate far beyond the Middle East
region. There are other challenges in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We have a lot
more on our plate to deal with. If the call is in May that this is not the right
time or we are not interested, then the world is going to be sucked into another
conflict in the Middle East.